28 thoughts on “As DCUO Hits 30-60 Day Pro7Sat.1 Window, Brasse Provides Answers

  1. So not sure if this was covered or not but if a EU player has an EQ1 account and an EQ2 or other account slated to go to ProSiebenSat.1 are they going to have to pay seperate subs for each after the transfer?

  2. New accounts will be assigned according to their billing country (or, in the case of free players, the country on the account).

    …and here we have the Big Issue dealt with.

    I predict a flurry of interest in overseas bank accounts… 😉

  3. Let’s hope DCUO is the guinea pig and they find out it’s not worth it, so the bitter taste is muted by abandoning the piecemeal sale of customer data. Not much faith here considering other previous issues, similar to the cross-server F2P changes …

  4. I’m actually kind of unclear of if I need to delete the toons I have on current EU servers or not. (I don’t really care about those)
    Also don’t know if I can still play on US servers, it seemed a bit cryptic tbh. If I transfer a toon (or all toons) to EU servers after the split can I transfer them back to US servers (as a EU based player).

    This will greatly affect my ability to play the game as a raider with a somewhat abstract work schedule.

  5. @stark Did you read this at all? I think it cannot be explained any clearer: nothing changes on the servers or with your chars, no IP blocks, no server region locks, period! You just cannot have a European billing address on the SOE account you use to play EQ2 any more. If you want to play with a European billing address, you have to make a ProSieben account and link that to your current SOE account so they don’t have to share personal information. Anything you already have stays, SC balance is copied. That’s all!

  6. Oh, one more thing: since everybody plays on the same servers, “pay to win” items are completely impossible for ProSieben unless SOE introduces them at the same time for the U.S. SC store, or else the U.S. players would rightfully riot.

  7. I have Station Acces to play EQ, EQ2 and Vanguard. As a Europe Player i have to pay twice in future. I´m getting very angry when i read “An exciting time for SOE….” Well, this means “We now get rid of customers who want something back for their money”.

  8. Noctew: They made it clear: PSS7 can have different stuff on the marketplace – the same like they can have different veteran rewards.
    That literally means: PSS1 can have more / miss out on different items compared to non-pss1 players.

    “The account management, subscription services, promotional offers and Marketplace will differ in some respects (items offered on the Marketplace will probably be identical unless they are tied to regionalized promotional offers)”

    What irks me most is the fact that neither of the two companies did their homework about currencies in the affected countries.
    Brasse says: “You won’t have to deal with conversion rates, everything will be in Euros.”
    While it is clear: 24 / 42 countries do NOT use the euro. (so much for “no conversion rates”)

    To me it more and more looks like they are running blindfolded into that business.

    From the account-aspect – I have a feeling they realize it that way: Once the game transitioned you will be unable to fund your soe account directly but when logging into the game pss1 will send a request to soe login servers asking them “i have user soandso in good standing – he says his useraccount is soandso – please let him log in”.

  9. Oh – forgot the citation about veteran rewards:

    Will veteran rewards and account age be transferred (for the purposes of accruing new veteran rewards)?

    These will be in synch at the time of transfer. ProSiebenSat.1 has stated that they’d like to continue veteran rewards. As these are a promotional feature, they may begin to diverge over time from promotions offered in the US, so watch for details!

    Quite a few vet rewards have been items or features … just to mention …

  10. Here’s the thing.
    Inspite of all that has been said my launcher seems to have lost the ability to select UK-English as an option.

    Can SOE assure me that,as an EU player, I can continue to play on my American server? I have yet to see a straight YES answer.

    Who knows it may all pan out in the end but I cant help feeling that Sony(who have spent less time ‘Marketing’ this game than my 8 year old daughter did with her little baking business last summer) have totally lost the plot. WHY is there a desire for regionalisation of a game that has always had a very appealing multinational flavour. If Sony wanted more money they could have got off thier behinds and aggresively marketed this game world wide.
    ‘We don’t do numbers’ says smokejumper. Yes they do. They just dont think we deserve to share in that knowledge. Way to Mushroom manage the people who pay your wages!

  11. I just put this on the Soe forums:

    The Veteran Awards and Marketplace item potential differences etc saddens me more than anything – nothing worse than seeing someone with something you love and being told you cant get it. Currently the only way that happens is if you are the wrong class (and can thus make an alt if you want it that badly lol). Everything else is open to all, it just may take SC, faction or level or a lucky raid drop or a quest (or whatever) to get it.

    I’m not the sort of person who would enjoy gloating at someone else missing out (quite the opposite in fact) – sadly too many are however, and delight in making other players feel small, and the last thing we need is to give them more excuses to do so.

  12. Soe have made it clear (just not in obvious places lol) – we can play on any server we like (and stay where we are). If you are in Europe, you will log in via PSS1, if you are in ‘Rest of World’ and US, you log in via SOE as now – server choice and toons etc won’t change.

    I asked for clarification from Brasse about the marketplace a while back – Apparently it will show the items etc for your login (SOE/PSS1) and show prices in your in-game currency, so SC for SOE customers and PSS1Cash (or whatever) for Europeans. Although most items avaialble should be the same, prices could vary and promotions/special offers may not be available to all on a server at any one time. Items can be different too – there could well be items that are available/visible to Euros and not to SOE customers, and vice versa.

    All of which sucks.

  13. @Noctew
    I read it all and nowhere is those things stated in clear text. I’m not going to believe it until I see it typed out:
    You can still play on whichever server you want and transfer between them freely whenever you chose.

    Honestly what I read from the text is more that if you want to keep playing on US servers you have to get a US adress..

    1. @Noctew
      I read it all and nowhere is those things stated in clear text. I’m not going to believe it until I see it typed out:
      You can still play on whichever server you want and transfer between them freely whenever you chose.

      Honestly what I read from the text is more that if you want to keep playing on US servers you have to get a US address.

      Sorry but your reading of the text is not correct. There has been a lot of vagueness in the past, but one of the VERY first things they clarified is that EU and US players can access their characters regardless of what server they are on. An EU player can play on US servers and that has been stated now for going on 4 months.

  14. Stark:

    Can U.S. players log on to the European servers?
    Yes, U.S. players can play on European servers and vice versa.

    There is no need to transfer to a different server because U.S. players can play on European servers and vice versa. If players are interested in transferring their characters, they can purchase character transfer tokens, if available.

    From the updated FAQ.

    And from Brasse on 31st March:
    “Free server transfers are not needed, because you can play on any server, from any geographic location. The account administration is server-agnostic.”

    Dunno if that helps…

  15. Well, the Station Access replies are still as clear as mud. Brasse’s answer makes no sense at all and simply referring Wilhelmina back to it without further explanation is plain rude.

    The question we want answered is nor which log in we will have to use to access the games included under our SA accounts, it’s how much do we have to pay and who do we pay it to? According to Brasse’s reply, after DCUO has transitioned to PSS1 but while EQ2 is still under SOE SA accounts will use a PSS1 log-in to play DCUO and an SOE log-in to play EQ2. I get that part.

    What I don’t get is who I will be paying. At that point, having made a PSS1 account to log into just one of the games I’m entitled to play under the SA account, am I still paying just one monthly direct debit as at present? If so, to whom?

    If I’m still paying SoE for the SA account, which seems probable since Brasse also says that there is no certainty that PSS1 will even offer their own version of an all-game pass, does that continue even when the only non-PSS1 game left under SA is EQ1? SOE get all my money even though PSS1 administer all of my account bar one game?

    What we’re concerned about is that we’ll end up paying SA rates for a diminishing number of games at the same time that we have to begin paying PSS1 piecemeal for each title they take over.

    I really don’t care. I will certainly be playing GW2 anyway – last weekend guaranteed that. I can play all the SOE games for free at Bronze or Silver. If my SA account still lets me do what I can do now for the same cost then I will keep it. If whatever changes come mean that my costs go up then I’ll go without. I am certainly not going to pay SA prices for one or two SOE games while paying PSS1 individually for others.

  16. Seems a real grandfathering is granted to All Access, with players still paying SoE and only using P7S1 for log in as of last post.
    Strange thing is that hubby checked and indeed, his yearly All Access (which was never said as being recuring) is now written on his account as being auto-renewed.

  17. All access has always been auto renewing. It was EQ2X where they first introduced the concept of non renewing memberships.

    I just checked my account page and…I am back on a renewing All Access, so what Brasse wrote about grandfathering seems to be true

    CURRENT GAME PASS PLAN:
    12 Months Recurring
    Next Payment: EUR155.88 plus applicable taxes
    (Scheduled For 7/xx/12)

    P.S.: I find it funny that people are complaining in the official forum about being a “12 years all access subscriber” and now being told that All Access is just “promotional”…Station Access was definitely not introduced before the launch of Star Wars Galaxies, which would be…2003 I think?

  18. I wrote a ticket and ask for a statement for EU Station Pass Customers. There is no way to play Games covered by the deal and Games not covered by the deal with station pass or the similar thing pss1 will offer. I also get a statement in the vanguard forum that maybe other games will come “under the pss1 shield” in Future but no date is specified.

  19. It was auto-renewing for Station access but when they introduced the yearly promotion for all access, it was written that it wouldn’t auto-renew which seems to have changed.

    Anyway, some people did report all access droping for them and not being able to take it back, I would love to know what were what they had and why it dropped.

  20. For US customers who travel overseas, or EU customers who travel outside of the ProSiebenSat.1 region: will they be IP locked and unable to access their account? What about US Military personnel?

    Players can log in on any server using the account appropriate to their billing address. If you are a US player serving in the military or on vacation in a ProSiebenSat.1 region, you can still log on with your US account.

    Will new accounts have the choice in who to sign up with SOE/ProSiebenSat.1?

    New accounts will be assigned according to their billing country (or, in the case of free players, the country on the account). …

    Now this is actually good news … it means no IP Block … and even though it’s silly to have to jump through hoops, it does give people who have a current European Account and/or Station Pass … a possibility to get around the whole SS1P7 deal if they find a way to “move” to the US *wink*.

    Also the grandfathering of Station Passes (well with some more jumping through hoops and only for recurring accounts) is better than what we heard before (where there was no grandfathering of any of them.

    So for once I consider this good news! And I do hope it’s not going back to bad news again!!!

  21. Now I only have one concern (if it haven´t already been covered):
    I´m a EU player only playing on a US server. From what I can understand, this change means I can still play with my guild, albeit with the PSS1 launcher (don´t like it but i´ll accept it) but… a pretty big but for me… will I have the US store with the normal stationcash or will I be forced to have the PSS1 currency and their store, perhaps loosing out on all the deals my friends get? … If that is the case, that would be a reason for me not to continue subscribing.

  22. I have to copy this …

    Now … so much for “much advertising and blahblah”.

    Start of may we had the RPC convention (http://www.rpc-germany.de/) here in germany (cologne) – the most (!) important convention WORLDWIDE (!) for Roleplay (tabletop, larp, online, …).

    Funny enough … everybody was there – BUT PRO7 / ALAPLAYA!

    Just to name a few: Gaming xp, Gaya, Get digital, Herokon, Intel App Store, Koch Media (!), LAPD, Lineage 2, Lost Ideas, Namcon Bandai, Paysafe, Predator, Roccat, Acer, Comtec, NC-Soft, Borderlands 2, Deep Silver, Schwarze Auge, WoW (!), Aion, Tera, and many more …

    Now – I have to ask … how important is the SOE deal for Pro7 really, if they don’t even care to step up and present their newly acquired SOE games a roughly 550 km away from their hq here in germany!?

    Whereas all other important and not so important companies make a show.

    I have a feeling that the interest p7s1 had in the SOE games quickly dwindled down – there is no other way I can explain this example of “no show” at such an important event!

  23. “How will Station Access accounts be handled, i.e. will they still have the same access to games not included in this deal?

    They will have access to their SOE games on their SOE login. As games transition to ProSiebenSat.1, they will use the ProSiebenSat.1 account to log into those.

    This doesn’t answer the question. Will those who currently pay one subscription for EQ1, EQ2, Vanguard and Free Realms, still be able to play all those games for payment of the one amount? It was the first question on Mina’s list and all Brasse did was refer her to the previous non-answer.

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