Veteran Revival Reward Dead in the Water?
On Saturday we reported that some players had started receiving their 8 Year Veteran Rewards. Of particular note in this collection of loot was an item called “Veteran Revival” that would allow you to revive your group once every 24 hours. However when players tried it, they immediately discovered that it only worked if you (the caster) were still alive, greatly reducing the value of the item.
SmokeJumper initially posted that the item was “being fixed”, however he later responded with this:
Sorry for the confusion, but the item is currently working as intended. It cannot be used while dead to rez your whole group because that would be far too unbalancing in raid situations.
When queried with this quote from a player:
You are aware that [Clerics] have an AA that rezes the entire group and works when dead? So it wouldn’t be “that game unbalancing”.
It’s worth pointing out that the Cleric AA is instant cast, revives the group with full health and power, and does not apply Revive Sickness. The Veteran Revival is on a 24 hour timer, revives the group with 20% health and power, and applies Revive Sickness.
With the near eternity of a 10 second cast time (especially if you have a slow casting debuff on, which many DoV bosses helpfully provide), plus interrupts, the chances that you’ll get your group resurrected with this item once the tank or healer has died is infinitesimal.
SmokeJumper responded:
The part we consider unbalancing is that a) raiders tend to be some of our most veteran of players, b) many of them will have Veteran’s Revival, and then c) when 24 people all have a once a day group rez that can be used on party wipes (during combat), then that makes whipping through boss rooms way too easy.
What Do You Think?
With Brawlers and Shadowknights having Feign Death, Monks having Group Feign Death, Tinkered Resurrect Items, Dirge Group Rezzes, and the Karana deity once-per-hour miracle to revive your group from death, not to mention the linear structure of DoV dungeons which already prevent skipping ahead to other mobs, do you think it would have been too powerful for a 24 hour revive-group-from-death ability for 8 year Vets?
Original Announcement vs. Changed Announcement
Before:
- “Veteran Revival” : A spell that allows you to rez yourself or a friend once per day.
After:
- “Veteran Revival” : A spell that allows you to rez your group once a day. It is not usable while dead.
You can discuss this here, or on the EQ2 Forums.
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Kaufman
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Don’t forget to add redemption and greater redemption of failure that all 24 raiders can carry.
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Fievall
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I think it is almost worthless now. It is obvious that SJ has no clue how raids really play out. The only real way this is useful is if it can be cast while dead. And that isn’t to get your group back into the fight. That’s the dirge, and neks job.
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zerigo
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They need to fire smokejumper before he destroys eq next. This game is already shot to shit.
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Neihn
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Why cant they just add a similar check to the Vet reward that they had on the Wizard spell Manaburn. When you went to cast Manaburn it would check the mob to see if it had been manaburned recently if not it allowed you to cast if so it did not allow a cast. Have a similar code that checks if 50% of the group has had it casted within the last 6 hours then the cast fails. If less then 50% has had it casted in the last 6 hours then it proceeds.
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Green Armadillo
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I don’t know whether it would be imbalancing or not, but the 8 year package definitely looks lackluster compared to earlier years with the “clarification”.
Speaking of Veteran Rewards and “revival”, wasn’t there a plan to rework the Veteran reward system into something more like a currency, specifically so that players could choose to save up and get a reward like this one “early”?
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Kaufman
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The value to me seems to be in contested dungeons – e.g. you are deep in Kael or Seb or the Hole and you wipe – an item like this would be useful if you didn’t have a cleric with the AA or monk, so you didn’t have to revive near the beginning. But once a day? I don’t see how using it once a day even when dead will overpower you especially with the very long cast time – as was mentioned the raid will be wiped by then more often than not.
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Kalako
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Your kidding right? I play a templar. That AA ability is awesome, it’s rescued my group in raid several times. But it does have a cooldown timer on it (I forget, 2 to 3 minutes on it?).
Your telling me an 8 year vet award that did the same could not have a similar timer on it? Maybe longer, say 10, 20 hell even 60 minutes on it? Once upon a time yearly vets got something to BOOST their game. (I have to digress CoV is FUBAR’D sometimes!!!).
This is the first time I’ve not seen a yearly vet award boost endgame players (who seriously gives a f##k about a mount if you raid? It’s not even that special. It just looks different).
Oh come on, 8 yr vets don’t get something helpful for raids? What are all the vets doing? Oh, lemme guess… decorating a house?! :p
And here’s me, a person who swapped out his account for a partner, and has only just got his CoV. So yeh, this won’t affect my account for a LONG time. I’m still disgusted though.
And yes Green Armadillo, I seem to recall them saying something like that. I guess they thought we’d forget that. D’uh.
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Bru
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So, it’s usable once per day, only gives 20% health and power, along with rez effects, and you must be alive to use it.
Compare to Breath of Karana, which anyone who wants to spend a half hour doing quests can get, is usable once per hour, gives 15% health and power, rez effects, is instant cast, and you can be dead when you use it.
If the 8 year vet reward is gamebreaking if usable while dead, then Breath of Karana is even more gamebreaking… except it’s been like this for years with nobody complaining about it
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Necromancer
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I think we need to call for a vote of confidence regarding Smokejumper on the EQ2 forums.
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skipppydippy
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Honestly do Smokejumper and his “crew of the clueless” have any idea about our game?
I’m not confident they do to be honest
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sandain
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I know I sound like a broken record but I am convinced Smokeblower and a few other developers have never played EQ2 in their lives. That is the only explaination for the monumental failures in judgement we have seen from this team
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Steve
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Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmme.
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Karith
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It sucks if you can’t ATLEAST use it while dead. Instant if dead, 5s if alive, keep sickness and 20% B.S. and id use it on my non-cleric.
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sandain
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Correct me if I am wrong but is there not a LON item that also allows a self rez when dead?
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Anaogi
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Taking the contrarian position…seriously, guys? You really expected a rez-from-dead item? Seriously?
Because nothing in the description I saw, or the past track record of vet rewards, suggested anything nearly so cool.
We have enough legit reasons to pound on these clowns, guys. Let’s not add a case of overinflated expectations to the list…
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Techno
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I can’t believe its not from death, raidwide with a following 100k RW ward. And I’m going to cancel my accounts if they don’t “fix” it to be the way “i thought it should work”.
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Techno
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Also I’m mad that I don’t get to select from a clicklable item that uses other classes endline heoric AA effects. I’m also crying about it.
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miragian
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Don’t forget the Karana deity ability that allows you to group rez from dead… I’d say the “unbalancing” comment was more of a “didn’t think very hard before saying something”
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Eschia
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I consider it another group rez for my warden’s arsenal. Nothing more. Nothing more was expected from me.
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Feldon
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Yes there are bigger problems in EQ2, but with regards to this item, it’s never going to be used.
It’s a 10 second cast time. Nobody is EVER going to successfully cast this during a group and get it to complete due to interrupts, slow casting debuffs, etc. And how many groups stay alive for 10 seconds after the tank and healer die?
If it had been instant cast, I would say it has some value, if it allowed you to rez yourself or ONE other person from death with instant cast, I’d say it’s darn cool to be able to keep rezzing the healer but still not overpowered at all compared to the Karana miracle.
Plus aren’t there EQ2X and LoN items that let you rez from death?
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Kel99
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Smokejumper said in one of his responces that it would be unbalancing if 24 vets had this ability in a raid to use “during combat”. If you made the vet reward a non-combat only res, surely this negates the whole unbalancing argument and makes the reward somewhat more useful to everyone?
As it has already been stated, there are already several other group res while dead options available, and the cleric AA one can be used every 2-3 mins. My GF has this ability and she typically reses the whole raid every time we wipe.
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melpheos
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I though the description said : rez yourself…
Must have read wrong or maybe SJ thinks you can rez yourself while alive…
Dont know. Would this give full health and power when you are at the brink from death or something. Has SJ ever played the game ?
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Feldon
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The original description said “Resurrect yourself or a friend.” I’d prefer that to a group rez that nobody will be able to get cast in time.
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Luminata
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There is a rez from dead Karana Miracle which has a 1 hour re-use.
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Luminata
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ah just saw that is already mentioned… I am le ill today 🙁
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Isest
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I would love to see them scrap this vet reward and do something different. The reason is all teh QQ about it.
sounds like our vet call, only half way work and broken durring so many situations.
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Neihn
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In the end I would like to see it changed to either being castable while dead like it was originally described or completely removed and made into something more useful. As a wizard its 1000% useless. If i am solo and die I cant use it while dead and if I am grouped and the tank dies I am usually the next one in line for the beat down. And if the healer dies well usually there is a feather in everyone’s bags so someone would have the ability to rev him/her anyways.
But then again to make something thats actually very useful would go against Smokeblowers motives.
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Harvy of Unrest
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I agree with Anaogi. It may be rare, but better than nothing… or something even more useless.
Something I now have for an uber rare occasion > an appearance item I’ll never wear
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Steve
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I’d rather have a 24 hour reuse “send a shock to the producer’s chair” button.
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Anaogi
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Guess I must be a cynic, I never expected this thing to live up to those expectations. It would have been great, but it would also have been, shall we say, significantly out of character… 🙄
I’d rather have a 24 hour reuse “send a shock to the producer’s chair” button.
One hour reuse or GTFO. 8)
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melpheos
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Another comment just to say that this is reaaaaaally amateurish…
No reward, then reward that work like this, ho oops sorry we did not meant what we meant but something else.
What next ?
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Grimmond
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I have to say as SJ described it … it would be cool but very over powered. It would allow a whole raid to each have an item to res themselves from dead … every so often. Imaging, the whole raid runs past some tough content to a spot that is relatively same … DIES enmass … and self res’s. The players have been crying about other players that get past content and raid mobs and loot, and the devs have been trying to prevent players from passing content for years. This Veteran reward as described would have never floated. I WISH like heck we could have it, but … Oh well. Maybe we could have some sort of solo res from dead. Would be nice … hmmmmm … probably not.
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Froak
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i am no where near 8 year, but honestly i wouldnt care if it was useable while dead if it was out of combat only. even if it was insta cast, or reduced recast time to 4 hours. people that have stuck with the game this long deserve something special but in combat while dead rez is way too OP.
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Murfalad
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Gameplay wise I don’t think a group self rez was ever a good idea, it should be a class defining ability and leave the veteran rewards to be non combat type items.
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Slaw
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worthless – thats what 8 years is worth… not a damn thing. the person whose decision this was is either not married or wont be for long.
after 8 damn years those people who have stuck through all this bs should be able to bend time and space let alone rez their own grp …. 8 yrs!!!? 8 YEARSSSS!!!!!
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Mysticalluna
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Why would you give Clerics a rez while dead AA and give Karana followers a rez, if you think it is so game-breaking??
Anyone who believes so, doesn’t realize how useless this item will be in this current state… yet another broken ability, like my Coercer’s “fun spells” which don’t even work at lvl 90 (100% resist fail).
I have to ask, please fix this to be useful in some way, single target self only or a friend target, or something else please? We already have Necro and Dirges, we have Cleric AA, we have Karana followers, we have Tinkerers, and we deserve a Veteran Reward that is worth casting!!
As a 24 hour re-use while dead rezzing would not be overpowered, as long as there was some Manaburn type of deal going on…
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Mysticalluna
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Greater Redemption of Failure items already exist btw, and healer rez tokens exist. We don’t really need a rez out of combat option, what use would that be? Many classes can Rez… In combat would have been useful… So, just make it a Self – Only in combat or one friend then?
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Mysticalluna
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Oh, but could you please make the re use time 1 hr and not 24 if it is single target only??
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