Daybreak CEO To Convicted Lizard Squad Hacker: ‘I’m Coming For You’
It’s been nearly a year since DDoS crew Lizard Squad flooded the servers of Sony Online Entertainment, Blizzard Entertainment, PlayStation Network, etc. to a degree that games such as EverQuest II, Planetside 2, League of Legends, and World of Warcraft became inaccessible for several hours. The lizards then doubled down on their felonious amusement by calling in a bomb threat on an American Airlines flight bearing SOE president John Smedley. The flight was diverted to a military Phoenix Sky Harbor airport where the plane was searched and passengers interrogated. Smedley was also doxxed, with personal details including banking information laid bare to the public. This all played out as a war of words on Twitter, followed by local and nationwide coverage on television news.
It was expected that those responsible for these activities would face serious legal repercussions, but it seems the exact opposite has occurred. 17-year old Julius “Zeekill” Kivimäki pleaded out to 50,700 counts of fraud and harassment charges, receiving just two years of deferred adjudication (similar to probation but with the charges being expunged from one’s record after they complete their conditions). He will face few restrictions, specifically he will have full internet access unlike probationers in the United States who face an outright ban on Internet and Smartphone access if their crimes are even remotely internet- or sex-related.
The Ars Technica article continues that “According to Finnish law, the teen could not be extradited to face prosecution in America for any computer-related crimes he committed against American people or companies”. This is in spite of taking personal responsibility in Twitter posts, in recorded XBox Live conversations, and in an unrepentant interview granted to Sky News last December:
Lizard Squad has mocked those who have spoken against them, declaring that they are essentially untouchable…
All the people that said we would rot in prison don't want to comprehend what we've been saying since the beginning, we have free passes.
— Lizard Squad (@LizardLands) July 8, 2015
And no zeekill will not be extradited. Finnish citizens have the right to refuse extradition regardless of any treaty.
— Lizard Squad (@LizardLands) July 8, 2015
Lizard Squad also made a point of reminding the world that Scandinavian prisons are some of the most comfortable in the world, favoring rehabilitation over punishment, which I’m all in favor of, except when criminals commit their crimes with the foreknowledge that they can look forward to a resort stay after they are caught for their offenses…
For the people mad about him not getting prison time, you realize that Finland has some of the most luxurious prisons in the world right?
— Lizard Squad (@LizardLands) July 7, 2015
In response to the news that Julius got off nearly scot-free for making terroristic threats towards a passenger airline and infiltrating and disrupting the internet service of major US companies, Daybreak President John Smedley took to twitter to post his intentions to bring Lizard Squad members to justice…
Interesting day for the good guys – http://t.co/J44lKLI0Tm
— John Smedley (@j_smedley) July 8, 2015
that was the piece of garbage that brought my plane down, leaked my information and did all kinds of other crap to me.
— John Smedley (@j_smedley) July 8, 2015
and he still has 15 other criminal cases awaiting prosecution in Finland. I may go after his parents in Civil court too. Little dirtbag
— John Smedley (@j_smedley) July 8, 2015
so stay tuned because @what_security – Here's his Twitter address. He's a sociopath and will get what's coming to him.
— John Smedley (@j_smedley) July 8, 2015
what they won't tell you is he did time in jail already and got his ass kicked hard inside. @what_security – tell us that story Julius.
— John Smedley (@j_smedley) July 8, 2015
The FBI nailed this guy literally immediately. It took the Finnish government a long time to catch up.
— John Smedley (@j_smedley) July 8, 2015
I got to talk to this dirtbag once when he called and pretended to be someone else.
— John Smedley (@j_smedley) July 8, 2015
I also got to listen to the entire conversation between him and American Airlines the day he called in the bomb threat.
— John Smedley (@j_smedley) July 8, 2015
His parents need to be held accountable for his actions in addition to his going to jail. @what_security – So I'm coming for you Julius.
— John Smedley (@j_smedley) July 8, 2015
Update! Here’s Smed’s longer form response which he posted on the Planetside 2 Reddit:
I normally don’t weigh in on subjects relating to me personally, but I will this time.
I’m extremely angry that the Finnish justice system chose to let Julius Kivimaki off with a 2 year suspended sentence. This guy is the worst kind of bad news.He’s been involved for years in every kind of terrible thing you can imagine including Carding, hacking, swatting people all over the world. He’s also participated in a major way in DDOS attacks that caused a lot of grief for gamers and a lot of economic damage to the companies that make and run games.
He was the guy that brought down my flight with a bomb threat. I’ve heard the entire recording where he convinced an airline customer service agent there was a bomb on the plane. He also in conjunction with others has sent me pictures of my father’s grave with nasty stuff on it. I’ve had my entire credit history put out on the internet including my SSN and my families info. We’ve had multiple social networks and other things hacked and had my family members called.
I’ve also been swatted (multiple times) and had over 50 false credit applications submitted in my name and had to deal with the ramifications of what happens to your credit when this kind of thing happens. It’s not good. And to top it all off they decided to submit false tax returns.
So to put this bluntly – I want this kind in jail for a long time. You shouldn’t be able to do crap like this without any hint of a consequence. I plan on doing everything in my power to see him get what’s coming to him in court one way or another. What he just got convicted of were over 50,000 separate incidents of hacking and other nastiness. This has nothing to do with the downing of the plane or the DDOS stuff he did or the things he did to me (not just me btw he did this to a lot of other people too). Those cases are still pending, but they have him dead to rights.
So you guys can debate this.. and that’s all well and good, but meanwhile this shit is real to my life and my family’s life and I’m sure as hell not lying down for it for a second. I’ve been working with law enforcement to put him and others into jail where they belong. Some of them are minors which makes it tough. Most of them are outside the US, which makes it tougher. But I’m patient and I’m going to be relentless about this.
Smed
Smedley’s strong words were picked up by gaming media:
- Eurogamer
- Kotaku
- GameSpot
- MassivelyOP
- Forbes: Former Sony Executive May Sue Convicted Lizard Squad Hacker’s Parents
- BusinessInsider: Sony Online Entertainment’s former CEO just declared war on the Lizard Squad hackers
- TheAge
- GamePolitics
- PC World
- Develop Online
- GameZone
Now, H1Z1 and other Daybreak games are experiencing outages as the war of words continues, with Smedley confirming a DDoS on twitter:
Getting a minor DDOS. We're working on it. should be back up soon. #annoying
— John Smedley (@j_smedley) July 9, 2015
At this point we’re left with the continued fearlessness of the Lizard Squad group. Clearly they have read the landscape and feel they are beyond the reach of any justice despite disrupting large providers of internet services…
Getting reports that the attack is affecting all Daybreak Game Company games. Hope you like our present John Smedley (the CEO).
— Lizard Squad (@LizardLands) July 9, 2015
stay mad @j_smedley, btw when's your next flight? Just curious.
— Lizard Squad (@LizardLands) July 8, 2015
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Katz
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*sigh*
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ROBERT
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hell, i want these guys to fix my credit lol…anyway of contacting them? :-\
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Steve
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Yeah, Me too 😛
Seriously hit me up:P
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Daniel
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It would be nice if we could just kill these worthless lumps if dead flesh
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GriffonLady
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It would greatly improve the human race if we could execute people like the losersquad. Just sayin.
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Carnifex
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Trailer park lizards at their finest.
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Daalilama
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Time to play beat that ass
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Alan
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1. Smedley is acting very immature as well.
2. Never put your customer interest to serve your own interest by “calling” someone out like that this is a very foreseeable consequence.
I agree the punishment does not fit the crime, however, the US justice system is very far from ideal as well.
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GriffonLady
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It worked last time. /shrug They called in that bombscare and got arrested.
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Thuggish
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Why doesn’t someone go stomp a mudhole in this little twerps @ss?
Forget the law, extradition, treaties, etc..
Just go stomp a f*ck*ng mudhole in his @ss.
Ill do it for 100 US and round trip transportation to his house.
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noluk
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get me a flight..I’d be happy to..just as soon as Im dome with Smeds dumbass
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noluk
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Done* frikkin cats
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GriffonLady
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Because they are cowards as well as losers. They use so many proxies to hide that it takes a bomb scare to get the resources to find them.
If you do find them, please stomp the mud hole through their heads. -.- They need to be cleansed from the human race.
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Zraith
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What is worse is your not punishing anyone but the players who pay to play these games…Have your problem with each other but leave us out of it.. I pay to play and I have not been able to use what I pay for today… and I’m tired of this… find another way to fight each other.. hurting fellow gamers is just crap.
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Moonpanther
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Then place your ire where it belongs with these lowlife hackers. THEY are the ones doing this.
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Moose
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I will say it again, Smedley should shut up and step out of the lime light at DBG, or they should fire his ass. The only thing he is accomplishing is further dwindling the player base down because people can’t log in. It’s obvious that LS won’t back down and Smedley won’t back down, so the best business move is, terminate him or what not. LS is doing this out of pure enjoyment to watch him squirm.
I see a guy, no a child throwing a temper tantrum that another person is picking on them and he decided to air in public. I am sorry but the best move is to do it quietly, but Smedley refuses to be a better person about this so instead we suffer.
/shrug
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Tylia
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Smedley is being very childish with his Twitter retorts and threats. It’s all very tiresome.
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Moose
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I know Tylia!
Sadly DBG will most likely still keep the loud mouth employed. Our numbers are smaller than ever on the paid side and I think after this mess the numbers will drop even more.
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Honeybush
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cancelling my 2nd all access account…no more cash for you
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AlennaEQ1
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if the media would stop reporting and giving asshats like these their 15 minutes they’d stop. why are we giving them what they want?
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Amaitae
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frankly, it might be hard to just shut up after that happens to you.
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Moose
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-entire credit history put out on the internet
-including SSN
-familiy info
-multiple social networks and other things hacked
-had my family members called
-been swatted
-over 50 false credit applications submitted in my name and had to deal with the ramifications
-false tax returns
Well… Smedley is an ego maniac and lacks professional mannerisms. If he had kept his feelings private and handled it better the above actions would of most likely not occurred.
The funny thing is, all the information that is listed can be found online with some digging.
As long as he is employed by DBG, we the players suffer on all games that we play. Frankly, how much more reduction in the paid player base can DBG take before EQ/EQ2 isn’t profitable.
I do agree that LS went overboard, but they were fed good ammunition by him.
I think that there should be some penalties for both Smed and LS as well.
Basically only time will tell.
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Rotherian
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I would like some clarification about your position.
It seems to me that you are implying that someone being bullied should not stand up to that bully. Most of your post seems to support the idea of punishing one of the victims.
Let’s look at this another way: If I say something against someone else, and that person reacts by saying something about me, then I totally deserved that and the reaction was warranted. However, if I say something about someone else and that person turns around and sends a DDOS to me, as well as publishing private information about me, then I did not deserve it and the reaction was unwarranted.
It isn’t the fact that LS reacted to Smed’s statements that is condemnable. It is how LS reacted that is condemnable.
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Zraith
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He has a right to be pissed but not the right to be a jackass.
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Cyliena
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This.
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Adam
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I agree i’m glad smedleys doing something about it… hope they get caught and punished well.
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Moonpanther
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EXACTLY… It gets personal when they go after his family. I can’t blame him a bit. Besides think on this part of this turds punishment was that his internet activities would be monitored and here he is admitting online that he is responsible for yet another DDOS attack against an American company. So maybe drawing this turd out will help.
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GriffonLady
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He’s trying to get them to escalate like last time. They called in a bomb scare, that got more resources from governments, they actually got caught. You think the legal forces will give a shit we can’t play our game?
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Aeorro
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Why is Smedley still being given positions of authority in video game companies? What he allowed to happen to SWG alone should have gotten him kicked from the industry. And as far as his public outbursts, doesn’t DBG have PR folks who can rein him in?
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Moose
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Exactly Aeorro!
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Ben Hur
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The thing the Lizarddorks are too ignorant to understand is that they aren’t just attacking Daybreak and John Smedley, they’re attacking the hundred thousand or more people who play those games. they have quite literally attacked… Me.
If the laws of the U.S. and the laws of Finland can’t, or won’t, do anything to correct that situation, then the logical solution is to go outside the law to do it. Maybe some aspiring Russian mobster could visit some of these lizards and practice orthopedic hand surgery without anesthesia on them.
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GriffonLady
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They are bullies, and they love pissing people off. (I suspect brain damage) Watch the video. The kid was laughing the whole time. Misery loves company, and he’s got less of a tan than us gamers. He probably hasn’t seen a potential mate any closer than with binoculars.
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Amaitae
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Imo, what they do goes far beyond pissing off others, financial damage, personal family information in the internet, …
It appears that this person is unable to have any empathy, is frivolously accepting harm of others and appears not properly educated.
Here in Germany we such people in asylums instead, so they cannot hurt the public.
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Moonpanther
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Exactly. How would folks feel if their family was attacked by these turds? I wouldn’t stand for it at all.
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Feldon
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There’s poking the bear and then there’s pouring honey all over yourself and then sticking your face in a fire ant mound.
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Cerulean
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DDOS happens pretty frequently. I don’t think anyone can truly prevent this kind of attack but you can mitigate it. Does Daybreak have no DR in place and all the traffic eggs are directed into one basket? This investment firm must realize now that their interests are at risk with Smed being around and they need to beef up their security and architecture.
gizzardtards pretend they are “white hat” by saying things “like companies with millions of dollars in subscriptions should be able to prevent these kinds of attacks… blah blah blah” This kind of prevention might be possible for a company as big as Sony, but the moment Smed & Co break away from SOE, these kids continued to mount an attack on DBG. It’s obviously a vendetta. BUT personally I feel like the more Smed goes on about it, the harder these kids are going to screw around with his life. Smedley should definitely take some aggressive legal action, but he should also shut up about it on the social media. He’s constantly on twitter making himself look as much of a twit as these script kiddies are.
I guess he feels compelled to make everyone feel bad for him so we don’t stop paying and playing. People like Smed however, also draw attention from policy makers who want to mandate that everyone’s life be an open book for government to see. And, we should all understand now that doesn’t just mean if you sit in America, only American government will see your stuff… It’s any global government who has access to this data because the US is too busy creating needles and hay to mine it by themselves.
Catch 22 for everyone.
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Amaitae
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The focus on gaming here is interesting. In general gaming is something totally meaningless. Might be part of the problem that nothing of importance is hit. Would the target be another government, say, the *US*, I guess there wouldn’t be such a huge problem with an extradition.
Imo, Smed is free to visit this guy in Finland to come for him. I’d love to see that 🙂
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GriffonLady
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The only way to truly block DDOS attacks is to close off traffic.. that’d be the players. That’s the ultimate goal of a DDOS attack…
It’s not a vendetta, it’s bullying. It’s being childish. He was laughing the whole time in the video. It was just BS for the camera. They are just out to get attention by pissing people off. That simple. :\ It’s the sad truth. Who knows, maybe when they start to notice how pathetic they are, that’s their trigger to distract themselves with this obnoxious behavior?
Smed can only take serious legal action if he gets them to step up their game like last time. They called in a bomb threat, that got enough legal attention and resources to find them and arrest them. Keeping a bunch of gamers happy is not a high priority for anyone that can actually do anything about loosersquad.
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Neiloch
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I find it funny people are attacking Smed for just saying something when the blame falls squarely on the people causing the attack.
You are literally blaming one of many victims.
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noluk
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Hes the Boss..he should act like one..not a freakin 12 year old. Hes losing money for his company and giving the company image a black eye. He should be dismissed.
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GriffonLady
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Humans do that. :\ Like, in school, the kids being bullied were supposed to toughen up, rape victims should have worn a longer skirt, the guy that got robbed should have had more security and a gun. IMHO, the human race is insane and backwards in far too many ways. /..\
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Katz
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I would think that the bomb threat on the plane should have landed him on terrorist watch lists?
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madrat
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I is really too bad that the lizard squad does not do something more entertaining like hack ISIS or something like that and actually do something good. Instead they screwed up gaming for the night due to smed and his big mouth.
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Amaitae
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as kids they prefer to stick to gaming, maybe some of them will actually conduct more beneficiary attacks when they are grown up.
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Networker
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A five year old could literally do the same thing as these guys. There is no hacking involved!
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Cuffsy
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If your mad at 1 person take it out on them, not everyone else. FFS why ruin life for the innocents in this
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DRon Karr
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Bullies only care about themselves. And stay that way even when grown up unless someone or something comes down hard on them. Its rather strange, cut some bullies will respect you if you can stand up to , and beat them. Guess they are in the ‘survival of the fittest” reference zone.
Smedly needs to file suit on them for Personal damages (for the swatting, data mining), lost income due to the denial of services,.etc.
And maybe DOSing back, if that is possible legal wise.
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JustMe
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This kid is thriving in all the attention we are giving him, yep, and I’m doing it now also. He laughed throughout his interview…so proud of himself and his group for knowing how to hack into a system…well…congrats children…so can numerous other people who don’t pretend to do it for the greater good of kids that should be doing other things at Christmas…some of these kids have waited months to get to enjoy a gift that makes them happy…way to ruin Christmas…now, because you didn’t care for comments made by Smedley, you decide to punish the gaming community by DDOSing Daybreak Games? Grow up..what you’ve done is equivalent to starving your neighbors dog because yours got into the garbage and made a mess…what could you possibly be thinking? LOLz…all you’ve done is pissed off the neighbor who’s done nothing to you…how are you going to try to justify this? Nothing you can say at this point will appease anyone who spent the evening hoping the game would start to work. I personally think that you should all be rounded up and locked up. What you have done has not only affected Smedley, but the gaming community. You should forever be stripped of the privilege of being able to use the internet…not just for a few months or years, but forever. Once was enough, a second time in inexcusable…you are messing with other people’s lives, holding them hostage for your own personal gain…shame on you and everyone associated with your group. I would be ashamed to admit that you were my child…I feel sorry for your parents…the lot of you…
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Zanderwage
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Could you guys maybe stop lol not really lolling right now. if you want to take on the ceo that’s fine just do it to him not the servers. like in the movie hackers when Zero cool was trying to win his duel they targeted the cop only not the police departments! lol just asking for h1z1 back :).
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Bobby
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Plz bring H1z1 back ty, <3
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Almee
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I agree that it sucks not being able to play our games but at least our lives haven’t been turned upside down like Smedley’s has been. If the LS get a hold of our billing information things could get really nasty for a lot of people.
For example, my personal information was just hacked from the Office of Personnel Management and I’m already seeing the results. I assure you it is no laughing matter and I’m glad Smedley is making this public as it is bound to start happening more and more with so many sociopaths learning how to hack.
Our government is spending trillions of dollars for oil we don’t need when our biggest threat is actually an Internet attack. Our whole economic system runs on the Internet and one malicious code can bring it all down affecting water and electrical supplies, health care, etc.
What happened to Smedley can happen to you and he wants everyone to know it. He actually took a great personal risk publicizing what happened to him.
Just remember, the next person who thinks you somehow wronged or offended you may hack your information and turn your life into a credit hell. I don’t even know who hacked the OPM but my life is already on the brink as collateral damage. I would suggest you all start praying it doesn’t happen to you.
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Geoff Toovey
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How pathetic
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Pipsissiwa
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I can totally understand, and sympathise with, Smed’s anger and frustration at the situation, but ranting and threatening on Twitter was a very stupid thing to do. This sort of thing is done because the perpetrators want the attention and he is giving it to them in spades. All his rants have done is re-inflame the situation exceptionally publicly, resulting in the repercussions we are seeing.
By all means go after them legally for what they have done to him personally, but do it privately and quietly. Shouting at immature bullies like this just makes things even worse and it is us, the innocent (in this case anyway 🙂 ) who suffer from these attacks. Shut up about it on social media, Smed, and get on with what you need to & should do legally like a grown adult, not a child.
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Tylia
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^^^ Exactly. His rants are very unprofessional and immature, and a detriment to DBG as a whole. IMO, he should issue a public apology for his aggressive and threatening tweets. Don’t get me wrong, I’m in no way condoning what the LS has done, but for Mr. Smedley to “push back” (so to speak) the way he did was just another form of bullying. He needs to be the adult and act responsibly when it comes to the public and the company he works for. This whole mess is just childish, from both sides.
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McOgre
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This is a damn joke already! This company is completely dependent on ONE THING; keeping their games running smoothly… and they are SO damn incompetent that they cannot fix this simple issue, and have no contingency plan in effect. How can an internet-based company drop the ball like this? That would be like a grocery store not having backup generators on their freezers. Yeah, shit happens, so you take preventative measures and still prepare for the worst. Daybreak is the joke of all gaming companies, and someone or everyone should be fired. Get your shit together already!
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Jake
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Why do the FBI get involved with this anyway? He’s finnish let his own government deal with this.. They think they can just go into any country and extradite anyone they want.. Lmao i think it’s funny
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Feldon
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Oh yes the Finnish justice system did a great job here. They gave this kid a stern talking to and a free pass to continue his felonious merriment.
I’m the first to preach about how much ridiculous and despicable overreach our government commits every day. The war on drugs and civil forfeiture are ruining this country. But this kid disrupted American business, invaded the privacy of individuals, and called a bomb threat on an American airliner. If you feel that is still not enough for extradition, I’d rethink your viewpoint.
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Lonsen
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The FBI is the principal investigator of crimes committed on American soil that originated both from foreign sources or in between two states in America as those are considered federal crimes. The FBI is by its very definition the agency in charge of investigation.
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Biliebob
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And just what kind of backup plan to you think there is for a DDOS attack. In order for you to play, you need access. A DDOS takes advantage of that and commands a botnet to send so many access requests to their servers you can’t get in.
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Game Lover
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fight somewhere else plz. we dont care when u ruin our game!!!!
if u did hit him without touch us gamers we would may support ur war.
but now u get a bunch of enemys instedt.
of course its crap that the games dont work but its more fucked up that we that dident do anything just play are now victims.
so ok roll a blunt , smoke it, inhale, rest out and let us players be in peace and go war face to face, a Finland guy would take a guy like him down with bare hands guys!!!
btw great vodka and blond girls in FINLAND 🙂
greetings from all of us gamers in NORWAY
PS: if u do another ddos canb u pleas leave eu servers up ?
PEACE 🙄
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Einelinea
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you know in today’s world; talk like THIS could be considered a threat — and kiddo, you do not want to get in trouble with the airlines, they are bad ……
” stay mad @j_smedley, btw when’s your next flight? Just curious.”
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Sensemaker Derp
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Mass Identity Theft, Bomb Scares, and Disruption of American Business…..last time i checked, this fell under the category of Terrorism. Overloading the system makes it just as unusable as if it was taken out directly, I find it very hard to believe that there is no law against this. No little shit kid should be allowed to do this to america, much less it’s citizens because he cant pleasure himself hard enough to dracula wish his own emo tears in his finnish fertalizer farm.
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DRon Karr
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Actually when you come right down to it, its not the FBI’s jourisdiction but that of the CIA. FBI= stateside action, CIA = overseas action, and that includes industrial sabatogue
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Misia
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Except that the crime happened HERE not outside the US.
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DRon Karr
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I guess it does involve both jourisdictions, but its going to be interesting to see what..if anything Finland will do about it this time.
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Misia
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Just a thought… There are only a few ISPs in Finland. It shouldn’t be too hard to figure out which is providing service to this nitwit. The DBG community would likely be very happy to petition, call etc that particular ISP to get the service disconnected.
http://www.expat-finland.com/telecommunications_and_media/isp.html
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Misia
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Some comments here indicate that there are those who believe that only Smed has been the target and that this is some sort of battle just between him and LS. Please check out this wiki article which talks about other attacks they’re doing. These are kids who have nothing better to do and have a long list of targets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_Squad
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Misia
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More: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/01/another-lizard-arrested-lizard-lair-hacked/
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Striinger
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Kudos to the folks that threw around the “bullying” term. Can’t have conflict these days without chucking that out there, so thanks for meeting my expectations instead of resorting to tired old words like “harassment” (even of more accurate).
I’d love to see some bitcoin based fundraising sites work through these problems thresholds like LS hand, nuts, up to head. Put a bounty on the little shits then migrate to Finland to avoid prosecution. I’d probably kick in a couple K on principle alone.
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Barto Windsong
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I don’t support the lizard squad’s actions
Here’s one thing i would like to know. Smed talked about his plane being call out for a target for an act of terrorism and he listened to the tape of Julius making the threat. Really? American airlines allowed that kind of information to become public to a regular passenger. Granted Smed has a bunch of lawyers at his disposal but even news agencies don’t have that kind of pull even with the Freedom of Information Act. I call Bullshit.
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Feldon
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You can call what you want. He heard the phone call.
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